Originally Posted by
pbjosh
Please, don't emulate Gordon's inability to listen.
In no way or form do I believe we are on track to hit 2 degrees worth of warming by the end of the century, and I have said nothing of the sort. The warming is over stated by a factor of 2 or 3. It should be far less than 2 degrees. That is wrong Steve. That is a lie.
Never said that, and wow, you really are not familiar with the basics, are you? Another lie, and a topping of ignorance.
I have said there IS a AGW contribution - And said that it is significant, in fact I quoted my reply to that just on the last page, from Page 2 of this thread. I used, several times, the analogy of how $10 out of $100 is significant. I stated it wasn't THE major contributor, but was one. Enough times that Gordon might even had got it. I think the guys watching here can see that you are lying, because I have been clear on this.
As for throwing out physics, you are repeating a meme, but not actually repeating my words, my commentary, still have no clue what I said, nor the basics of my argument. Or the science.
Lets just look at this. Because this is the underlying problem in your reply. What you have to ignore or to be ignorant of to repeat this lie about my position.
Per the 150yo argument, CO2 can absorb energy. I said it actually, and the amount. I was the first one on here to do it. It does at a known set of frequencies. I showed the graph of it. This has been known for 150 years. If we double this amount from the 275ppm baseline we get a result of 1.1wm^2 of extra 'absorbtion' of outgoing radiation. That has never been in question Steve. I have repeated it not only first, but at least 20 times here.
BUT, in 'The Theory', as presented by James Hansen in 1988 on the Senate Floor, there is supposed to be a x3 forcing from water vapor feedback, at the 300mBar level.
Now, the "150yo argument" has nothing to do with this water feedback loop. It was first proposed in the late 1970's as way that releasing more CO2 could possibly warm the Earth after the great cooling from 1950s till the late 1970s. You are either ignoring this, didn't actually read and comprehend anything I said, are faking your ignorance, or are in fact blind to the fact we did this stupid dance every time you made this lie of a claim in the past.
Oh, the 1970's theory was only 40 years ago, and was never a proven theorem. NEVER. It isn't a fact, it was a proposed theory. The warming never happened at the 300mBar level, and the atmospheric humidity at the 300mBar level dropped just a tiny bit. That has been proven over time.
Steve, you don't even know the parts of the argument I am talking about. You have to ignore that I addressed this consistently throughout these pages. Or, this is a deliberate LIE on your part to save some face. Or maybe cognitive dissonance.
You have no reply recently on my Climate Positions that are not straw men. You are doing nothing but lying about my positions to try and win false points I never made.
Steve, what the F is wrong with you that you have to present falsehoods about MY position? Why is your argument so fucking weak that your only win is based on lying about what I said?
Look kid, if you can't actually respond to what I wrote, you never debated me. Proof above is that you didn't. I brought up 3 friggen versions of the energy budget, and you had never seen it before. That is isn't denial on my part, it is on yours.
You debated a paper doll of a climate denier. It is all in your head. You have consistently failed to reply to MY remarks, or MY commentary, or my proofs, and replied with falsehoods of my position that I never raised, or I had addressed, multiple times, and you ignored, or replied with a response that didn't even address my position.
The problem is YOU Steve. You are crap at this. Don't try and turn this around as if I failed this argument. You did.
I was hoping for a worthwhile discussion to hone my knowledge, but you never debated me, or discussed the science. You attacked me. Again and again, ignoring any peer reviewed source, data from NOAA or NASA or anything and then you had to resort to lying about my positions. You didn't even take anything I said as fact, Ad Hom'ed source material, and flat out said you didn't respect my replies. Then you lied about what I said.
This is why people don't like you on the internets Steve. They think you are an ass because you attack, don't actually listen to what they say, and then make shit up about what they said.
Congrats Steve. Par for the course.