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    I mean, you could turn it into a compliment and...

    I mean, you could turn it into a compliment and just accept that someone thinks you're a stud.

    I'm taking a break from paintball for a while, but I did feel like I needed to apologize to you.
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    I don't know the person's intention, but I've...

    I don't know the person's intention, but I've been guilty of making other digs at your life choices and it was wrong of me to have done that. I apologize. It's always easy to see the "faults" in...
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    Gordon, I promise that wasn't me and I'm sorry...

    Gordon, I promise that wasn't me and I'm sorry someone felt the need to put down your partner (or whatever term you prefer). I'm sorry for being a pretentious jerk to you. Please accept my apology.
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    No, because it's factually incorrect. See Supreme...

    No, because it's factually incorrect. See Supreme Court case Neilsen vs Preap. Not to mention detainment isn't the same as incarceration.



    Well, it not at the bottom... it's actually at the...
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    http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g246/sey115/sey1...

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    Yes, I did. Lots of policies/ laws have...

    Yes, I did.

    Lots of policies/ laws have outcomes with which we may disagree or find immoral. When we see the outcome there is a due process for rectifying the results... in this particular case,...
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    Hahaha. ...

    Hahaha.

    https://media.tenor.com/images/7cba954994ade7e9e2666e85b45a5661/tenor.gif



    In the same ways as pretty much any conspiracy that involves George Soros.
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    It is factual that intermittent reinforcement is...

    It is factual that intermittent reinforcement is dangerous; it encourages people to "play the game." As it relates to policy, it is absolutely ineffective. Conversely, continuous reinforcement (zero...
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    You should start with a less fallacious pretense...

    You should start with a less fallacious pretense if you actually want a discussion.



    Correct. The question is effective vs ineffective.
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    The policy itself is morally agnostic. If...

    The policy itself is morally agnostic. If anything, it appears you're arguing the outcome is morally incorrect and, if you point back to policy, you're forced to acknowledge the EA was the only thing...
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    That's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying...

    That's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying there is nothing evil with a zero tolerance policy. I'm also saying variable enforcement is ineffective. So, if you want conformance, zero tolerance is...
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    Misdemeanor is still a criminal offense. You're...

    Misdemeanor is still a criminal offense. You're being pedantic in your argument. What you're advocating is to ignore the law because it's poorly written, which is pretty ridiculous. The executive...
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    If we're taking a step back, then please refer to...

    If we're taking a step back, then please refer to my post about variable reinforcement undermining authority. If anything though, discretionary element of application opens the door for bias. Not to...
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    Ok, so if you acknowledge that since there were...

    Ok, so if you acknowledge that since there were criminal trials sometimes, that the "evil" mechanism that separates families and makes babies represent themselves in court predates Trump. To say...
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    That's a loaded question. Illegal entry is a...

    That's a loaded question. Illegal entry is a criminal offense; living as an undocumented immigrant in the US is civil. It was the initial abiguity that led to Arizona vs the US....
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    I didn't say his hands were tied in any capacity...

    I didn't say his hands were tied in any capacity other than by the Flores settlement. I think it's beyond flimsy to suggest that it has never enforced like this before, in fact, it's absolutely...
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    That's not my "view." The same thing happened...

    That's not my "view." The same thing happened under Obama albeit in lower numbers. Variable reinforcement creates an obfuscation of authority and undermines the effectiveness of policy. Trump isn't...
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    No, quite literally the memorandum said "On April...

    No, quite literally the memorandum said "On April 11, 2017, I issued a memorandum to all federal prosecutors entitled "Renewed Commitment to Criminal Immigration Enforcement." So, the laws were on...
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    The memorandum changed the enforcement, so you're...

    The memorandum changed the enforcement, so you're just being intentionally obtuse.
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    Then answer the question, what specific policy is...

    Then answer the question, what specific policy is creating the "evil?"

    Multiple choice:

    a) 8 USC 1325
    b) the memorandum
    c) the executive order
    d) the Flores Settlement Agreement
    e) the...
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    Maybe I'm not understanding the point of this...

    Maybe I'm not understanding the point of this post. They're being detained prior to trial, not imprisoned. The ALJ expedites the time to trial to reduce the detention period (the evil that existed...
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    The specific immigration law is listed in the...

    The specific immigration law is listed in the memorandum: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

    Asylum seekers (refugees) are not the same as illegal immigrants....
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    :facepalm: The order allows families to be...

    :facepalm: The order allows families to be detained together; he didn't subjugate the memorandum. Thus, the impetus is placed on congress.

    In Trump's brash way:

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    Let's speed this along... Trump's executive order...

    Let's speed this along... Trump's executive order said exactly the opposite: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/20/full-text-trump-executive-order-family-separations-transcript-658639

    What...
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    The same thing happened under the Obama...

    The same thing happened under the Obama administration. Josh already showed you that.

    How exactly do you think the "Trump admin decided to do it?" They passed a policy that says "Under the...
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