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  1. #3611
    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker27 View Post
    if you can control and enjoy the vehicle under the conditions it could probably fit some definition of handling well

    from a technical position obviously trucks have undesirable handling characteristics.
    patently waits until someone posts a mid-engined, tube framed "truck" to claim trucks handle well ....
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  2. #3612
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
    Gordon, you always, always edit, modify, hashtag; parts of conversation to best show your point through quotes. You always do that, because when you are caught on a point, you scamper backwards and reengage.

    And i will say it. Why are you the best driver? Why not move up in leagues, difficulties, levels. Where are the sponsors asking you to quit your day job and help the team win, build better race cars? You are a large fish in a small pond(or as you like to put it, 10k ponds). So what? The real racers don't talk about it, they go and do it. Not troll anything on forums or youtube. If they are ice drivers in the winter, then in the summer, they are dirt tracking, drag racing, ovals, road course, 2 wheels, 4 wheels, whatever.

    So you are but an amatuer, maybe more than anyone else, but Penske racing, Ferrari, John force, or Midas mufflers are not coming to sponsor you, your miata or your ego. And they won't .
    i have never claimed to be the best driver. you can look up my results for yourself, im exactly as good as the data states i am. the thing about racing is that you can't have an ego. you are exactly as good as the results sheets says you are, no better, no worse. no room for ego. its actually one of the things i love most about racing, its perfectly evailuative. you did exactly as good as the results sheet says you did, no bullshit. I'm a mid pack national level autocorsser, and a upper mid pack divisional level road racer. its right there on the sheets.

    no true Scotsman fallacy is still a fallacy. i can't wait to hear more about "real racers" from you.
    Last edited by cockerpunk; 12-03-2018 at 03:34 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
    im exactly as good as the data states i am.
    This I love. More things should have visible Elo rankings or similar.
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  4. #3614
    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker27 View Post
    This I love. More things should have visible Elo rankings or similar.
    folks with egos in amateur racing quit after someone they think is slower beats them. or they become dangerous on track, thats zero percent cool. folks with really big egos (FB car group/forum personalities) don't even show up to race, because they know they wont win.

    it would be in error to conclude that because i know i have a more qualified opinion than 99% of humans on car performance, to mean i have some kind of ego and believe im the best driver there ever was. i know i'm not, and every single time i take to the track and don't win, i know it. even winning at a national or divisional level ... there is always someone faster. even F1 and WEC champs who plan to keep there titles next year, know they have work to do to get better. no one goes faster if they already believe they are the best.

    no, i just have a more qualified opinion on car performance than 99% of humans, because i've been there and done that far more than most humans.
    Last edited by cockerpunk; 12-03-2018 at 05:16 PM.
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    No Gordon - you redirected. Your comment and mine, in full, that elicited your response.

    Your comment:

    ill amend my previous statement. in 2 inches of snow, street driving is perfection.
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    My comment:

    That is basically how I learned to drive. I took my drivers test in 3-4 inches of snow.

    Drifting a '77 crew-cab 1.5 ton 454 powered dually on roads that are 6" of solid ice is hella fun.
    My comment is on the roads - first taking my drivers test while it was snowing, which wasn't in a truck.

    Your reply:

    also trucks handle on ice like total garbage. i mean trucks handle like garbage in any conditions, but esp on ice.
    And a gif!

    YOU made it about trucks. And boy, did you want to make a point. "What you said is garbage, blah blah blah, I am Gordon, you are wrong"

    lol, dont try and re-edit the conversation to be about something else.
    It wasn't bud. It was about hooning on ice and snow. I was agreeing with you. But your need to be a pompous dick and prove me wrong weighted out, so you made a point that was off topic.

    The only way there was an argument was when you made point about something I didn't say. Which is sadly typical, so we made fun of you.
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    if you can control and enjoy the vehicle under the conditions it could probably fit some definition of handling well

    from a technical position obviously trucks have undesirable handling characteristics.
    Exactly.

    The problem is fixating on the truck as if we are trying to pick the best platform.

    We are talking about mastering a vehicle in adverse conditions. The joy of hooning a truck on ice is not about how good it is as a platform, but really about how good it feels to master a vehicle that is not perfect in conditions that are not perfect.

    Do we always take out a CS2? No. Often we take out guns that are not perfect to stretch our abilities to play - taking out a rental, a spyder, a phantom, a PGP is a way to extend our abilities and to put more excitement into our game because we know we are not the biggest gun out there, but we can still have fun by challenging ourselves to out play the marker.

    Taking a huge, badly balanced vehicle out on ice and being able to drift it sideways, dump the brake, flick the tire and land it exactly where you wanted to park it, or slip it up and down a curvy street that you barely fit on while spinning the tires is a type of mastery that is fun.

    Obviously trucks handle badly - but they can still be handled WELL. The action of handling the vehicle is the goal, not the vehicle itself.
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  7. #3617
    no, you were attempting to defend your trucks handling. you did it here:

    Quote Originally Posted by pbjosh View Post
    Oh, please tell me about driving trucks on ice. I only was born and raised in Alaska, but hey. Gordon knows more than everyone about everything. I don't know why I ever doubt you Gordon.
    and here:

    Quote Originally Posted by pbjosh View Post
    Good tires. It is amazing - I mean, flat our amazing, how good winter tires can be. I remember a girl (who was trying to get me to date her) wanted me to show her how to drive in the snow and ice. Her dad had gotten her expensive tires for her little escort and I took her out to work on controlled spins and how to deal with stopping and related in the college parking lot, which was solid.

    Couldn't do it. We might as well have been on dry pavement with pilots on. The engine would barely spin the tires. I couldn't even get a good e-brake turn.

    It kinda sucked. Wasn't any fun at all.

    I ran an S-10 Blazer for years, and put it all over that place. Great truck for AK. But subies were the car to have. They are so much fun on a bunch of ice, but made day to day driving really easy. We had trucks, suburbans, every type of 4x4. My mom bought an Astro Van that somebody had a full Pathfinder 4X4 underneath. Solid axles, locking hubs, 4LOW. It was taller than it was wide but worked well. Fun times, lots of hooning. Most of us had cheap S-10, Rangers, B2000s, Isuzu even. Some even had 4wd, but not many of them. We had a couple guys with big 4x4's and we would have their numbers memorized. Ah.... lots of memories.

    But the wrangler and full sized blazer, due to a short wheelbase, would be more likely to turn and flip sideways on ya. My dad a 82 Full sized Blazer and with the wrong tires on a super slick road a tap on the brakes and it would slide 90 degrees and stay that way till you stopped. Long wheelbase is your friend.

    only now, are you somehow trying to redefine the argument as about the road. its bullshit, and you know it, but you have to save face. you wouldnt have gone on for 2 pages, with all sorts of boring stories of donuts in trucks, and ice this or that ... trying to pull authority over me because you grew up Alaska or some shit ....

    until everyone else with two baincells stepped in an was like "no, trucks handle like garbage"

    if you agreed with that assessment the entire time, why the two pages of truck stories? you could have just been like "yup, your right" and we'd be talking about something else.

    its laughable you'd even try this, and my assessment remains the same as the politics thread, you are either a moron, or lying on purpose.
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    Do you guys agree on anything?

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    Oh, please tell me about driving trucks on ice. I only was born and raised in Alaska, but hey. Gordon knows more than everyone about everything. I don't know why I ever doubt you Gordon.
    I was calling into question your need to even comment, as if you are an expert on driving trucks on ice, or that you were even saying something that needed to be said. It didn't Gordon. It was the most obvious thing, except it wasn't the topic at all. I don't need to be told how to a truck drives on ice. Nobody does. What a stupid thing to bring up. That is why were were bashing you, for just needing to be a dick. And missing the point. This is just your MO. Be a dick. You have been plain in saying that your entire purpose is to be a Troll and it makes you happy. I didn't say a truck is a superior platform to drive with. Or even good. Re-read it. I am talking about driving. I said it exactly like that for that reason.

    The other comment wasn't directed at you at all. I was replying to Imped. Not you. It really isn't all about you Gordon.

    THEN, Steve kicks in "Trucks are bad", but I didn't say trucks are the best vehicles to drive, I never discussed their ability to drive well to you or Steve. I used Fun. My reply to Steve and you was:

    As for Steve trying to gallantly come to Gordon's rescue, you both still totally miss the point.

    I was not commenting on which car is better - I am commenting on the driving conditions. " ...in 2 inches of snow, street driving is perfection." I am actually agreeing with you Gordon. You bashed the vehicle choice, but I had said "on roads that are 6" of solid ice is hella fun."
    Reading comprehension. You still fail at it. You, like Steve, read something into it that wasn't there.

    I said it is FUN. Not that trucks are good on ice, or ice racing. Fun.

    There is nothing for me to edit, or change. You misunderstand. Completely. And put words into my text. Again.

    Your need to be a dick really ruins so much of this forum.
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    Do you guys agree on anything?
    Gordon has flat out said he tried to hound, insult and Troll anybody who disagrees with him politically. This is his MO.

    It isn't about me - it is about Gordon's direct need to be a browncoat and try and shout down those who are not of his tribe.

    Of course, all of the other forums have kicked him out for it.
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