Right, I'm pretty sure Simon was pretty involved in the Freestyle.
Right, I'm pretty sure Simon was pretty involved in the Freestyle.
Ever so many citizens of this republic think they ought to believe that the Universe is a monarchy, and therefore they are always at odds with the republic. -Alan Watts
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IIRC Simon had one of the early ones for testing... not sure if he was involved in the design.
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Regardless, the '04 freestyle is the EP version of a mag.
Ever so many citizens of this republic think they ought to believe that the Universe is a monarchy, and therefore they are always at odds with the republic. -Alan Watts
I work for the company building the Paragon
Well, without having a wonderful discussion on this like we have with spools/poppets and the US Budget:
I think a true version would have the lvl10 bolt, an actual on/off and a far more reactive regulator. The FS lacks those, at least initially.
And yes, I realize you have already decided I am wrong.
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www.j4paintball.com
That is probably why foxes on the resale market still fetch upwards of $300 and why you see too few of them in the wild.
But you miss the love. Its not that TK made the holy grail, and no one can improve upon it. Far from that, but it is, IMO that the mag was so far ahead of the curve that what was made 30 years ago, that was common place in the field, is only now being met by the field.
I would venture it was Hawk that did the majority of the FS work but that is just a guess. But even though Jerry Dobbins was an electrical engineer, he made absolutely weak and shitty harness design.
Exactly!
The mag had so much and so much was taken for granted that the party pieces that are held in esteem today were never done, because it was 20 years ago and things were very different.
The mag is not a perfect design. It has many flaws that are over looked by mag lovers because those things don't matter. Its heavy, there is no huge aftermarket unlike what cockers had or have now, blah blah blah. But all those detractors to it can not deny that the mag had a huge fundamental foot print. But 30 years put a lot of dust on who and where it came from.
Who is more influential, the person who laid out the design or the people that make small improvements on the design over the years? Case in point, the light bulb. Thomas Edison didn't invent the light buld, but he invented a better one, taking the design and making changes imto it to what it is today. Then today said, here are halogens, sodium and LEDs which put the incandescent bulds way back in the the last century.
So yes, you can shave off half the weight, make it smoother, smaller better, but the key to a mag, being a modular system (other than certain parts of the RT, you can take every part on a mag and swap them between any mag), give it better looks and options but that takes money, money that TK doesn't spend in paintball anymore.
Hell you like the NT. Think what it would take to make those improvements to it(barring any rights to design, patents etc), put them in a new gun, with changes of modern guns (hoseless?), and get them to market. Having the idea and twking it to fruition are 2 widely different things. Yet a 18y/o X valve can easily keep up with anything with eyes, be gentler or as gentle as anything out there today (which is funny cause the L10 solved the chopping problem) and be as consistent as you want. But its an old design from a bygone era.
As for the FS, the design was good but it was let down by poor reg design, small market vs big market, no real advertising, no sponsored flagship team and no market footprint (areas where you would have proshops and fields having the gun out there feeding their personal markets). You can have a great design that does everything better, but if you can not get it out in the world, it just will wither and die.
Ever so many citizens of this republic think they ought to believe that the Universe is a monarchy, and therefore they are always at odds with the republic. -Alan Watts
I work for the company building the Paragon
It was rocked by the Naughty Dogs right next to the Timmy.As for the FS, the design was good but it was let down by poor reg design, small market vs big market, no real advertising, no sponsored flagship team and no market footprint
The problem was it was a bit finicky - if you didn't get the LPR just right, or the solenoid was a bit off, or the wiring... sometimes they just wouldn't work, and for no good reason. Rocky said they had to have quite a few backup. When they worked, they beat everything on the market. When they worked.
Josh Coray
J4 Paintball
Lead Design
www.j4paintball.com
I'll take this small victory!Meh, you can have this one.
Isn't the lvl 10 just a bleed hole combined with a more finely tuned spring setup? Am I missing something? Feels like the LPR on the FS would be pretty close, just short the bleed.
Yeah, the lvl10 was about that. On a test version of the Torque we ended up with a pretty good nick on the o-ring, and it would work exactly the same. I almost added it as a small weep hole feature, it worked so good. Instead I stepped the bolt to have the staged pressure steps.
The way the LPR worked and the tuning... they should have just removed making it adjustable or set it up to run without one, like the Ion.
Josh Coray
J4 Paintball
Lead Design
www.j4paintball.com