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    Quote Originally Posted by PBSteve View Post
    Lol, Secretary of the Navy says he fired captain of the Roosevelt because he was "stupid" and didn't follow the chain of command.

    Then he tells reporters that he had opened a direct line to the captain, from his civilian office, subverting the chain of command.

    Sounds to me the captain was frustrated with incompetence higher up and concerned about the safety of his crew, and this Modly guy got butthurt over it. Soap opera in the Navy featuring a pandemic, fragile egos, and unsurprising administrative failures.
    ironically, the "support the troops" folks also support purging the military of politically incorrect militarily competent people.

    just another sign post on the road of, everything republicans have claimed to care about for 30 years was all lies. all of it. every policy. except racism and sexism. the only thing consistent in all gop policies, is keeping anyone not straight, white, male, and above middle class, as secondary citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
    its racism. guys. really, its racism.
    Your answer for everything anyone else might think that doesn't mesh with your world. And then when there's actual racism, and you can call it out, nobody's going to care. Calling out "racism, racism, racism!" over and over has diluted any discussion you've been in lately. And you seriously believe it to be true, too, which is just sad.

    Quote Originally Posted by PBSteve View Post
    Jesus, the Wisconsin GOP just can't stop being complete fucks for two seconds.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...virus-outbreak
    Evers overstepped his authority. He got called on it, caught, and stopped. Would he have been right to postpone the spring primary? From a safety standpoint, probably. Although there were precautions in place when I went to the polls this morning, and it actually made for a very easy voting experience. Evers probably could have had a team put together a few options other than just "POSTPONE!", and had several ways to go with this election... which, by the way, was more significant than just a Presidential primary. My ballot had the local mayor and city council seats up for election, and those incumbent's terms expire in ten days. Just as important, there's a seat on the state Supreme Court that was on there, which is probably why Evers wanted the delay in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by PBSteve View Post
    Lol, Secretary of the Navy says he fired captain of the Roosevelt because he was "stupid" and didn't follow the chain of command.

    Then he tells reporters that he had opened a direct line to the captain, from his civilian office, subverting the chain of command.

    Sounds to me the captain was frustrated with incompetence higher up and concerned about the safety of his crew, and this Modly guy got butthurt over it. Soap opera in the Navy featuring a pandemic, fragile egos, and unsurprising administrative failures.
    Word from the troops is that the TR's captain had gone through the chain of command trying to provide a healthy environment for his sailors and Marines, and was ignored. That's a huge breakdown in the chain, which relies not just on obeying orders and procedure, but also trust. When the chain of command failed the captain, he committed career suicide as a last-ditch effort. He knew what he was sacrificing, and why. And it takes a lot of links in that chain, most of them career military and NOT politically appointed, to fail to get to this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
    ironically, the "support the troops" folks also support purging the military of politically incorrect militarily competent people.

    just another sign post on the road of, everything republicans have claimed to care about for 30 years was all lies. all of it. every policy. except racism and sexism. the only thing consistent in all gop policies, is keeping anyone not straight, white, male, and above middle class, as secondary citizens.
    Personally, I think the guys at the pointy end of the spear should be the ones who dictate policy. Staff weenies have their place, but it's not in deciding how to fight a war. Many times the guys who pull the triggers aren't super polished, but you're going to get a straight assessment of things asking a buck sergeant, or a platoon leader lieutenant, over a colonel who's spent 15 years moving from one desk to another. That staff guy might be able to write a great paper, but he's not the guy carrying the rifle and 120 pounds of field gear, or having to fire a missile he hopes works, or the guy in the sonar room of a sub working on making that billion dollar sub actually do what it's supposed to even though it doesn't right out of the box.

    And there's the racism comment again. It's probably racist that I bring it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pump Scout View Post
    Your answer for everything anyone else might think that doesn't mesh with your world. And then when there's actual racism, and you can call it out, nobody's going to care. Calling out "racism, racism, racism!" over and over has diluted any discussion you've been in lately. And you seriously believe it to be true, too, which is just sad.



    Evers overstepped his authority. He got called on it, caught, and stopped. Would he have been right to postpone the spring primary? From a safety standpoint, probably. Although there were precautions in place when I went to the polls this morning, and it actually made for a very easy voting experience. Evers probably could have had a team put together a few options other than just "POSTPONE!", and had several ways to go with this election... which, by the way, was more significant than just a Presidential primary. My ballot had the local mayor and city council seats up for election, and those incumbent's terms expire in ten days. Just as important, there's a seat on the state Supreme Court that was on there, which is probably why Evers wanted the delay in the first place.



    Word from the troops is that the TR's captain had gone through the chain of command trying to provide a healthy environment for his sailors and Marines, and was ignored. That's a huge breakdown in the chain, which relies not just on obeying orders and procedure, but also trust. When the chain of command failed the captain, he committed career suicide as a last-ditch effort. He knew what he was sacrificing, and why. And it takes a lot of links in that chain, most of them career military and NOT politically appointed, to fail to get to this point.



    Personally, I think the guys at the pointy end of the spear should be the ones who dictate policy. Staff weenies have their place, but it's not in deciding how to fight a war. Many times the guys who pull the triggers aren't super polished, but you're going to get a straight assessment of things asking a buck sergeant, or a platoon leader lieutenant, over a colonel who's spent 15 years moving from one desk to another. That staff guy might be able to write a great paper, but he's not the guy carrying the rifle and 120 pounds of field gear, or having to fire a missile he hopes works, or the guy in the sonar room of a sub working on making that billion dollar sub actually do what it's supposed to even though it doesn't right out of the box.

    And there's the racism comment again. It's probably racist that I bring it up.
    You are racist for thinking that a bunch of educated white guys have superiority over a bunch of other white guys, also with education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
    ironically, the "support the troops" folks also support purging the military of politically incorrect militarily competent people.

    just another sign post on the road of, everything republicans have claimed to care about for 30 years was all lies. all of it. every policy. except racism and sexism. the only thing consistent in all gop policies, is keeping anyone not straight, white, male, and above middle class, as secondary citizens.
    Give a cookie to captain obvious... the GOP lies!?!?!?! NO, don't become the dreamsmasher, the herald of the end of days.

    The political divide since 1900 is more along the lines of which political party will allow the critical 1% of all the money/power/influence, to not onky keep their money but allow the continuation of said business practices to keep making money. There is a point where political parties don't mean anything anymore and since by the word of conservatives, they tend to gather together in keeping their money/power/influence. This is the old boys club, going along since Tammany Hall, only changes name, but not practices. And old money, begins with blue blood, well everyone else need not apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
    hate to break it to you steve, trumps gonna get re-elected. his support has not dropped a bit, even with the economy crashing, 10 million on unemployment in 2 weeks, and thousands dying every day.

    its racism. guys. really, its racism.
    And what happened to your plaintive pleas of electing anyone who isn't trump? Did you abandon ship already? Do you not have any testicular fortitude in seeing you make a decision and sticking with it? What of the cries of removing him, making him a 1 term president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pump Scout View Post
    Your answer for everything anyone else might think that doesn't mesh with your world. And then when there's actual racism, and you can call it out, nobody's going to care. Calling out "racism, racism, racism!" over and over has diluted any discussion you've been in lately. And you seriously believe it to be true, too, which is just sad.



    Evers overstepped his authority. He got called on it, caught, and stopped. Would he have been right to postpone the spring primary? From a safety standpoint, probably. Although there were precautions in place when I went to the polls this morning, and it actually made for a very easy voting experience. Evers probably could have had a team put together a few options other than just "POSTPONE!", and had several ways to go with this election... which, by the way, was more significant than just a Presidential primary. My ballot had the local mayor and city council seats up for election, and those incumbent's terms expire in ten days. Just as important, there's a seat on the state Supreme Court that was on there, which is probably why Evers wanted the delay in the first place.



    Word from the troops is that the TR's captain had gone through the chain of command trying to provide a healthy environment for his sailors and Marines, and was ignored. That's a huge breakdown in the chain, which relies not just on obeying orders and procedure, but also trust. When the chain of command failed the captain, he committed career suicide as a last-ditch effort. He knew what he was sacrificing, and why. And it takes a lot of links in that chain, most of them career military and NOT politically appointed, to fail to get to this point.



    Personally, I think the guys at the pointy end of the spear should be the ones who dictate policy. Staff weenies have their place, but it's not in deciding how to fight a war. Many times the guys who pull the triggers aren't super polished, but you're going to get a straight assessment of things asking a buck sergeant, or a platoon leader lieutenant, over a colonel who's spent 15 years moving from one desk to another. That staff guy might be able to write a great paper, but he's not the guy carrying the rifle and 120 pounds of field gear, or having to fire a missile he hopes works, or the guy in the sonar room of a sub working on making that billion dollar sub actually do what it's supposed to even though it doesn't right out of the box.

    And there's the racism comment again. It's probably racist that I bring it up.
    how much more evidence do you need? the GOPs position on everything (trade, allies, wars, diplomacy, economics, NAFTA, how to run the military, sexual morality, morality in general, etc etc etc) has been shown to be a lie. either they were lying then, or they are lying now. becuase they both cant be true. the only thing that has held constant, is the sexism and the racism.

    so, its fair to conclude, its the racism and sexism
    Last edited by cockerpunk; 04-08-2020 at 12:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
    And what happened to your plaintive pleas of electing anyone who isn't trump? Did you abandon ship already? Do you not have any testicular fortitude in seeing you make a decision and sticking with it? What of the cries of removing him, making him a 1 term president?
    what is confusing exactly for you? you do understand the difference between desire and prediction right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pump Scout View Post
    Evers overstepped his authority. He got called on it, caught, and stopped. Would he have been right to postpone the spring primary? From a safety standpoint, probably. Although there were precautions in place when I went to the polls this morning, and it actually made for a very easy voting experience. Evers probably could have had a team put together a few options other than just "POSTPONE!", and had several ways to go with this election... which, by the way, was more significant than just a Presidential primary. My ballot had the local mayor and city council seats up for election, and those incumbent's terms expire in ten days. Just as important, there's a seat on the state Supreme Court that was on there, which is probably why Evers wanted the delay in the first place.
    Evers absolutely overstepped his authority, it was intentional and I suspect he knew it wouldn't stand. Like the navy captain it was a last ditch effort to get Republicans in the legislature to stop being skidmarks, although I suppose he should have known it was futile with the 17 second gavel-out on Saturday.
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    the GOP doesn't want people to vote, period. any way to stop folks voting, the better for them. the fucking president himself said so just last week.

    i love how everything fucking anti-american, pro dictatorship and pro fascism, can somehow be rephrased into a minor democratic process error. like, we have decades of evidence, court documents, the words of the president himself saying that we dont want people to vote in elections, because we lose when they vote ... but yeah, this is totally iverse fault for trying to do something, anything, in the face of a fascist take over of his state.

    how the fuck stupid are people? how is this even said in public without being laughed at? how fucking stupid are people?

    jesus, the party has stated IN FUCKING COURT, they dont want people to vote.

    how can anyone take this seriously? there is literally nothing to say to such childish, fascist, bullshit.

    its just racism, and sexism, which is about power. power at all costs, even to your humanity itself. and dont be stupid enough to think that cause your white and male and middle class and nominally straight you have anything to gain from this.
    Last edited by cockerpunk; 04-08-2020 at 11:45 AM.
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    trump again repeats that we should make voting harder because when you make it easier, it doesnt go well for republicans. today.


    if trump wins another term, the USA is probably not going to remain a democracy IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
    if trump wins another term, the USA is probably not going to remain a democracy IMO.
    That seems a little dire, we'll always call ourselves a democracy. Voting could become a sham, though.


    U.S. intelligence officials warned in November that the coronavirus spreading in China?s Hubei region could become a ?cataclysmic event,? ABC News reported Wednesday.

    The military?s National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) documented concerns about the initial stages of the pandemic in an intelligence report, two officials familiar with the document told ABC News, which added that the document highlighted how the virus was disrupting life and business and threatened the population in the area.

    Intelligence was reportedly obtained through wire and computer intercepts along with satellite images showing the new disease was not under control in China.

    The report highlights that officials had knowledge to begin acting against the coronavirus months before it struck the U.S., ABC News noted.

    "Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources told the network, who added that the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon?s Joint Staff and the White House were briefed "multiple times."
    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...irus-spreading

    Trump knew about this in November and did jack shit to prepare, because he's a cuck to his own ego.
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