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    [Big sigh]

    You missed it completely:

    The ONLY way the president could stop every single child separation is to turn away/stop detaining families, or people who are bringing some kid who is not theirs across the border. Or stop detaining anyone.

    The laws controlling the child separation come from Congress and the courts. After Flores was found to apply to ALL children at the border in 2016, before Trump was president and counter to what Obama's administration was trying to do, there is no other way.

    He couldn't do it if he tried. He doesn't have that power, and neither did Obama. Obama couldn't pen and phone this one away either. Congress makes the laws, and they were held up in court.

    Don't you get it? There are three branches to our government, and in this the president doesn't have the power. He never did.

    Small edit: The responsibility is on the parents bringing the kid over - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is on them to not put their kids through that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbjosh View Post
    [Big sigh]

    You missed it completely:

    The ONLY way the president could stop every single child separation is to turn away/stop detaining families, or people who are bringing some kid who is not theirs across the border.

    The laws controlling the child separation come from Congress and the courts. After Flores was found to apply to ALL children at the border in 2016, before Trump was president and counter to what Obama's administration was trying to do, there is no other way.

    He couldn't do it if he tried. He doesn't have that power, and neither did Obama. Congress makes the laws, and they were held up in court.

    Don't you get it?
    you dont seem to grasp that the executive has the power to enforce the law as given free reign to do, and Flores does not REQUIRE trumps policy.

    and if you doubt me ... then what is happening right now? trump changed the policy, which was perfectly legal for him to do so, and we are no longer separating newborns. that means that we never had to.
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    You are wrong Gordon.

    Flores applies to ALL children crossing the border. No exceptions. Obama couldn't change it either.

    Trumps Judicial Request is in court right now - awaiting that branch of government to respond, since they check the laws, not the president. Congress makes them.

    Wow, my 2nd grader gets that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbjosh View Post
    You are wrong Gordon.

    Flores applies to ALL children crossing the border. No exceptions. Obama couldn't change it either.

    Trumps Judicial Request is in court right now - awaiting that branch of government to respond, since they check the laws, not the president. Congress makes them.

    Wow, my 2nd grader gets that.
    having a law apply to a situation does not mandate that the enforcement of said law includes child separation. the executive has the power to enforce the law as it pleases. the law applying or not, isnt in question and never was.

    trump changed the enforcement policy, he does not need a court to review it. as we see that with what is actually happening on the ground. otherwise trump changing the policy back, would be illegal ... which, as we can see ... its not.
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    anyway, back to the original point, since we all agree trump changed the enforcement of the law, and then back again, and that makes "obama did it too" a red harring argument and thus not a reasonable response to the litmus test ....

    are we ready to answer the question?

    is trumps policy of child, baby, and even newborn separation and self defense in a court of law, a moral one, or an evil one?
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    If you don't like the law, though it was put in for very good reasons at the time you are obviously clueless about also, at least blame the people who wrote the fucking law.

    Congress.

    Because Presidents don't make laws.

    Your whole point is incorrect because you are blaming the wrong branch of government.

    Please, stop being dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbjosh View Post
    If you don't like the law, though it was put in for very good reasons at the time you are obviously clueless about also, at least blame the people who wrote the fucking law.

    Congress.

    Because Presidents don't make laws.

    Your whole point is incorrect because you are blaming the wrong branch of government.

    Please, stop being dumb.
    my feelings about the law are irrelevant.

    stop refusing to hold those responsible for there own decisions, responsible for there own decisions. trump changed the policy, twice, that alone PROVE HE CAN CHANGE THE POLICY. which means its his choice how to enforce this law. this is a side argument anyway because what this started as was "obama was doing the same thing" which we all now agree he was not, for the very fact that trump changed the policy.

    and since we all now agree that trumps enforcement of the law is different than obamas .... obama's enforcement is a red haring to my litmus test question. so please fucking answer it.

    is trumps policy of child, baby, and even newborn separation and self defense in a court of law, a moral one, or an evil one?
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    Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is showing. Hard.

    You are blaming Trump for something he didn't, couldn't, even fucking do. No president can do it. The power of this is in Congress, and Congress alone. No matter what you are claiming. The President simply never had that right. He couldn't be a totalitarian, no matter how you think so, because of congress and the courts. This is the balance of power. That is the basics of this countries government and you are so stuck on trying to talk sh!t about the president you can't even lay out the basics of our government.

    Through this you are wrong. In every possible way. You do not understand a bit of what you are talking about, and this is why this forum is ruined with your participation in it.

    If you can't get these basics, any of you, and you have to step out of the law, out of reality in fact, to blame the president, you are what is wrong with this country. Stop saying things you know cannot be true simply to demonize someone you dislike. What children.

    With that, sorry Ryan, I am gone for a while again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbjosh View Post
    Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is showing. Hard.

    You are blaming Trump for something he didn't, couldn't, even fucking do. No president can do it. The power of this is in Congress, and Congress alone. No matter what you are claiming. The President simply never had that right. He couldn't be a totalitarian, no matter how you think so, because of congress and the courts. This is the balance of power. That is the basics of this countries government and you are so stuck on trying to talk sh!t about the president you can't even lay out the basics of our government.

    Through this you are wrong. In every possible way. You do not understand a bit of what you are talking about, and this is why this forum is ruined with your participation in it.

    If you can't get these basics, any of you, and you have to step out of the law, out of reality in fact, to blame the president, you are what is wrong with this country. Stop saying things you know cannot be true simply to demonize someone you dislike. What children.

    With that, sorry Ryan, I am gone for a while again.
    trump decided to do what he did. we have the fucking memo. irony posted it for god's sake. guess whos fucking name is at the bottom of it?

    why do we know that that is true?

    because he also decided to not do it anymore. we also have that memo too.


    your two year old can figure this one out.


    will you answer the question?
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    also, if its congresses problem, not trumps, i expect you are going to vote for democrats for congress tomorrow right? right? if trump is just a victim of evil republican congress and its laws, then what are you gonna do about that?

    if not, then the whole argument is a dodge. because you were never trying to pass moral judgment or do anything about it in the first place. it was just another dodge.



    because you refuse to answer the fucking question, because you know i'm right about it.
    Last edited by cockerpunk; 11-05-2018 at 05:16 PM.
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