OT: Politics

[pbjosh]

Richard Spencer is not a conservative.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-na...rticle/2010847

Writer Donna Minkowitz describes a secret meeting organized by alt-right figure Richard Spencer that she crashed in mid-November at an organic winery in Maryland. Upon arrival, Minkowitz writes that she was surprised to find that the discussion centered not only on the usual brown-shirt Jew-hating you might expect from neo-Nazis, but also on what she says is a “new emphasis on economic issues” that she found “seductive.”

Why seductive? Because the white supremacists’ views on economic issues sound a lot like, well, like views espoused by the Nation and Democratic party progressives. In what could pass for Bernie Sanders campaign literature, she quotes Spencer saying “I support national health care” and railing against “the trillions spent in insane wars.” Minkowitz also quotes Spencer blasting the GOP tax plan as “stupid .  .  . Reaganite nostalgia” and supporting a universal basic income. Another speaker decried that everything is seemingly becoming “corporatized and capitalized.” Wait—is this a white supremacist conference or a New York Times editorial board meeting?

She quotes another speaker exclaiming that “2018 is going to be the year of leftists joining the white-nationalist movement!”

Alt-Right means an alternative to the right. Not the same as the right. Its...ah...in the name.

I had a nice reply to the climate issue that the computer ate. I will write it up again. It seems is you have a reply post open for a bit, and hit the image button, you will crash the site.

[Florypb505]

Richard Spencer is not a conservative.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-na...rticle/2010847



Alt-Right means an alternative to the right. Not the same as the right. Its...ah...in the name.

I had a nice reply to the climate issue that the computer ate. I will write it up again. It seems is you have a reply post open for a bit, and hit the image button, you will crash the site.

But he is a guy who is identified as a republican who has ties to both the gop and to large conservative propaganda outfits. Which is in the time frame when he also became a white supremacists figurehead and started adopting that hitler youth haircut.

Hopefully we have all found some common ground here in saying that Richard Spencer is a problem that no human in their right mind should affiliate with.

[PBSteve]

Alt-Right means an alternative to the right. Not the same as the right. Its...ah...in the name.

And yet they decided they could Garner more support calling themselves alt-right as opposed to alt-left. I wonder why that is.

[Laku]

Alt-Right means an alternative to the right. Not the same as the right. Its...ah...in the name

Umm? Alternative right. Not "alternative to the right". Or am I missing something here??

[pbjosh]

Hopefully we have all found some common ground here in saying that Richard Spencer is a problem that no human in their right mind should affiliate with.

OH yeah, Richard Spencer is crap.

I would hazard a better description is he is a result of other cultural movements

And yet they decided they could Garner more support calling themselves alt-right as opposed to alt-left. I wonder why that is.

In some of his earlier comments, it wasn't to garner support, but it seemed more like a rejection of 'Right' sided ideals, like the Constitution, Liberty, and related, while also rejecting PC culture in whole. That is the weird thing, if you look at his points based on Moral Values, he basically rejected them all. His position was basically "FU ALL!" and "Go Whites!" and "I want to see you all cry!" Basically an attention whore. And it worked. We paid way to much attention to a small group of morally flawed people. His first target though was his old party. He got Woke.

Their largest target of harassment though, and largest critic is Ben Shapiro, a conservative editor of the Daily Caller. He had over 8000 threats thrown at him from the 1600 person center of the Alt-right before they had much media attention. SO they fought the Right the hardest, while also trying to garner enough Liberal Tears to bathe in.

It the beginning, it was just a shock movement. Piss off every one.

Now they seem to be the new National Socialists Movement. Following 1930's Germany.

Ignoring them might be the best policy. Or hunting until endangerment.

[ironyusa]

Pretty sure this is what I said... https://gizmodo.com/the-looming-net-...d-f-1821401711

[PBSteve]

In some of his earlier comments, it wasn't to garner support, but it seemed more like a rejection of 'Right' sided ideals, like the Constitution, Liberty, and related

Wait, you see the Constitution and liberty as Right ideals, but not left? Actually you know what, I don't want to get into that with you. Let's just say I disagree.

Why do you suppose ethno-nationalism is more associated with the right?

[pbjosh]

Why do you suppose ethno-nationalism is more associated with the right?

Projection?

In all reality, it is a slur. It is not based in much reality, except some of the left have been calling the right nazis for a long time. Since WWII.

Now, historically, the KKK and all that were democrats. Jim Crow? Democrats. Who fought the Civil Rights Act? Democrats.

That is a poor truth.

Same with the fact that most of the racists are older white people in the south. And they vote for the GOP now.

Same poor truth.

Conservatives didn't do enough in the Reconstruction, which kept some of that alive in the south. Walking through the absolutely haunting halls of the Atlanta Museum of History's display of the Civil War, and you can see the failure of the Reconstruction. Yeah, it is surprising how two warring factions repented, and formed a union again, but there is still a part that wishes they had stayed there for a bit longer. Set long term patterns, and ended it for good.

Radical democrats propagate the myth of turncoat black conservatives to maintain black support while actually doing little to nothing to improve the lives of black people — just take a glance at the inner cities that dems have ran for decades. Despite a very grand history within the G.O.P dating back to the Era of Reconstruction, blacks left the party in mass during the post-civil rights realignment which birthed the notion which may have been true but has since become myth. It is taught that during the fight for equal rights the democrats shed their racist dixiecrats, who went on to join the G.O.P. This has been a strong factor in keeping most blacks firmly in the Democratic Party and away from the G.O.P ever since. This realignment is commonly thought to have taken place after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and was completed when President Reagan pulled what was left of the dixiecrats into the Republican Party turning the American South firmly red. This most certainly did happen. However a very important aspect of this transaction is often ignored today — many of those ole dixiecrats didn’t die racist.

Old, white and the south is the last vestiges of racism.



It is dying out. (shrugs)

https://cdn1.ijr.com/wp-content/uplo...-in-the-us.jpg

Kill everyone over 70?

We might be able to save SS that way. (Joking!)

[ironyusa]

[PBSteve]

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Imagine a political scientist reading that, and you'll get an idea of where I'm at with his posts on climate change.

Out of energy for it, tbh.