Another company that we should have the history of is the people who made the matrix originally. Was it Airtech industries or something like that?
Wasn't Infinity Glen and Dave Zinkham? Pretty sure Dave was involved with the Legend.
Vanguard, you need Paul Garry (PeeGee) for that info, but I believe basically yes, it was the Lucky UK crew. I think Simon cave over to the UK at one point to try and help them out as well. Martin Carnall was doing the machine work.
That is who did your machining for you, wasn't it Josh? Having worked for a time with Martin many many years before I personally wouldn't have used him to make a shovel, let alone a complete gun. We were truly blessed to have had Belsales as our go-to when we were setting up the Ego.
As far as I know the Greene Brothers still own all their IP through NPF (National Paintball Fields). NPF helped keep WDP afloat for some time. I really believe it was their insistence to stick with the 3 tube design together with their reluctance to adopt break beam eyes and persist with the COPS for too long that killed them. They allowed others to come into the market and take their crown.
Anything you want to know about WDP and the Angel, just ask. We were there right from the very start.
Dear boy, I work at Planet Eclipse, don't you know..
Another company that we should have the history of is the people who made the matrix originally. Was it Airtech industries or something like that?
In regards to the Tribal/MacDev possible connection, I stumbled across this. Note the last post:
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/a...e-ask-one.html
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wow, the MCB staff is so pathetic they changed my user text and pic to stupid stuff.
lol, what idiots.
social conservatism: the mortal fear that someone, somewhere, might be having fun.
Haha, I didn't even notice that. Sorry, not laughing at you.....
OlllllllO
Edit, I was incorrect:IIRC, the Tribal was out at the same time, but I believe that they were done fully from blocks. IIRC the ads for the tribal line pre-dated Merlin extrusions being for sale?Unfortunately, "paintball villain" Francois Louvett was responsible for creating these, and they were milled and assembled in Bulgaria, so there isn't a lot of information out there.
On the Vanguard side, PG and Martin ended up working with Chris and Daz, a couple local guys who had some money to burn on another project, and threw a couple million at the whole mess? I think they said $2M. Cool guys, had dinner and beers with them a few times. There was a bit more money than organization though it seems, at least at the Vanguard level, from what I inferred. The shop was setup in a section of the building C&D had to do their other businesses. I guess they blew a good chunk of cash on some Chinese bodies that were screwed up at first, then they got their own machines. There was potential there - but that last 5% that is the killer, as I and many of us know.
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Josh Coray
J4 Paintball
Lead Design
www.j4paintball.com
J&M (Jason and Martin) did it originally. We actually did pretty well, but they needed me there on site to straighten out some things, which was a bit difficult to do due to distance but also family. 3 young kids and a couple pre-teens doesn't make for a wife that likes me taking business trips, especially over seas. Working with them we did get a lot done. I think a few more weeks right before launch and we would have had the product solid on day one. They did do some things like in the middle of the run small fiddling with sizes - so parts would not always fit. It was more than a bit infuriating. On the other side, we solved some problems really fast. I know just enough machining to help, and was flexible on the design, and just ignorant enough to miss some big things. The potential was there, but they were just to far away to allow me to give them the needed feedback and oversight.That is who did your machining for you, wasn't it Josh? Having worked for a time with Martin many many years before I personally wouldn't have used him to make a shovel, let alone a complete gun. We were truly blessed to have had Belsales as our go-to when we were setting up the Ego.
IIRC: Andy, Eric and Chris were with FEP. Correct? Andy did CAD for an update, FEP crashed, Chris took it when FEP crashed and the patent (or something fishy) and started Zodiac. So they were not involved with Zodiac, but they were involved with Chris at FEP.Josh, when you say Andy, Eric and Chris with zodiac... I didn't realize Andy or Eric we're part of zodiac. Maybe I read that wrong.
Josh Coray
J4 Paintball
Lead Design
www.j4paintball.com
Bringing this back up. I found post #77 particularly interesting:
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/p...-marker-8.html
OlllllllO
Damn, 5+ years of dev time for a blowforward
Makes me feel a little better. Not much, but a bit.
Ever so many citizens of this republic think they ought to believe that the Universe is a monarchy, and therefore they are always at odds with the republic. -Alan Watts
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