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Thread: New ID (SAS and NOS) trigger plates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SC_Thumper View Post
    I installed the new plate in a ressy frame last week. Got to play today at the local field. All the choppy feel is now gone. In my setup I had to run the lug on the hammer deeper than I would like but it was the only way I could get it to reset consistently. My hammer now falls about mid trigger pull. Overall I am mostly happy. I have the inception hammer, springs, valve, and now trigger plate. The only thing left is the sear. I am not really sure if that will change any of the geometry of the hammer release or not. For sure this is nice and smooth now.
    Good to know.

    Which one did you get? The NOS or the SAS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace View Post
    Good to know.

    Which one did you get? The NOS or the SAS?
    I purchased the NOS kit. I put in the stiffest return spring and the stiffest sear spring. It is quite smooth with no binding at all. I played with a few combinations but I always got hammer skip. I had to go deeper with the lug to get it to reset consistently. It seems ok now but now I am questioning if the PO of this ressy messed with the sear. There are too many home airsmiths in the wold.

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    Aside from the aesthetic differences in pull feel, would you go so far as to say that, in terms of actual ROF, the trigger is now faster, or about the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace View Post
    Aside from the aesthetic differences in pull feel, would you go so far as to say that, in terms of actual ROF, the trigger is now faster, or about the same?
    ROF? Not really what I was after. I would think it should be a little better but I am much faster with a hinge when it comes down to it. I was after making this feel more like a traditional cocker. The stock ressy pull just feels weird to me.
    update: Put another case and 1/2 through it today. Finally got this where I want it timing wise. I would say it is a keeper as far as upgrade goes.
    Last edited by SC_Thumper; 10-13-2018 at 05:01 PM.

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    Good to know, thanks!

    So how did you end up setting it up in terms of timing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace View Post
    Good to know, thanks!

    So how did you end up setting it up in terms of timing?
    On my ressy I had to set the hammer drop to about 1/2 way into the trigger pull to get it to reset reliably. Not my ideal position. I prefer it to to be at the very beginning (this is how I set my regular cockers). I am not convinced the PO didnt mess with the sear doing some kind of home trigger job. Gonna order a sear in the future from Simon.

    Got to run a bone stock ressy yesterday and I took 5 shots and put it back on the bench (forgot how much I hated it), and handed mine to the owner. I let him shoot it and his reaction was immediate. "that feels like a completely different gun" "Can you do that to mine".

    My question to Simon....Why delrin.. why not metal? I am sure it will outlast the weekend warrior player durability wise... just curious.

  7. #17
    I'm guessing that delrin was chosen owing to weight/mass, cost, and the fact that, with a roller sear, durability shouldn't be much issue.

    After doing some digging I suspect the sear reset issue you are having may be related to the fact that the new plate uses a timing rod hole instead of the original slot.

    An old article of Ravi's dealt mentioned a similar situation, with a similar result, owing to the fact that a hole will change the timing vs. a slot.

    May not be the same issue in your case, but your experience sounded eerily like his, and it might be interesting to experiment with a modified delrin plate that has been slotted, to see if the problem goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace View Post
    I'm guessing that delrin was chosen owing to weight/mass, cost, and the fact that, with a roller sear, durability shouldn't be much issue.

    After doing some digging I suspect the sear reset issue you are having may be related to the fact that the new plate uses a timing rod hole instead of the original slot.

    An old article of Ravi's dealt mentioned a similar situation, with a similar result, owing to the fact that a hole will change the timing vs. a slot.

    May not be the same issue in your case, but your experience sounded eerily like his, and it might be interesting to experiment with a modified delrin plate that has been slotted, to see if the problem goes away.
    Interesting thought. ... I just checked and most of my cockers are round hole as well. I do have one that is slotted but it has a flat rod. Still leaning on the sear and a botched trigger job. I should have gone up to Fuldagap and had Simon look at it.

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